Ok, im responding even though ive said most of this before.

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5. we do have a fix for the 0 time bug, but it means restarting all leaderboards. we have talked about this many times and the response is always "we would rather keep the 0's". and even after the 0's were gone.. people could still hack the game and add them.

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we obviously care a great deal about our fans.

-Edmund

Thanks for posting here Edmund, it was greatly appreciated and my kudos to you for keeping a calm tone when no one would have held it against you if you had vented some steam.

Personally I don't care about SMW or the editor. Not that I dont like them, its just not that appealing to me personally :)

I love the regular levels and I really enjoy speed running. I hear what you say about deleting the 0.0 times and such, but can't you delete the Steve times and say disable the time being registered when you press ALT during a run? And is it possible to ban individual steam players from contributing to the leader boards?

Are you open for ideas on how to handle this in more dept? As I have a fairly decent idea that wouldn't be too hard to implement from a programming point of view. If you honestly don't have time to look at it then that cool and Ill drop it, but if you do I can drop you a mail.

Also thanks for making SMB. Ive enjoyed this game the most out of all the games Ive played the last couple of years. That includes Minecraft, Portal 2 etc etc.

/Chase

Sorry if any of my posts were trollish or aggressive - it just pisses me off when forums get a toxic environment like this did and a miniscule minority highjack the dialogue.

You may not intend to come off like that, but you seem furious when you type. As if this whole ordeal goes on your family's honor and you're out for blood. To such an extent that reading your posts made me stop coming here for a while. Granted this was probably not a bad thing from your point of view, but well there it is..

And you sort of hijacked the thread yourself :|.

You write really well, but your self insight and/or logical grasp seem a bit off. Again no pun intended, but you did throw it out there. And for all I know I could be wrong.

This game has sold well over 600,000 copies. The critical response has likewise been universal acclaim.

The voice of 10 or so people maximum, endlessly spamming these forums with petty and trivial, overblown and self-pitying complaints are irellevent. You views mean nothing and nobody cares.

The problem isn't with the game, it is with you and your childish attitude, and the tragedy is there's no patch for that.

Actually the problem is within the game with the bugs and what not. But Im glad you took your time to post here, we need more people to post about the "wrong way of playing the game".

The world need more people like yourself who will randomly make up numbers and tell people what they can and cant do based on their own inability to accomplish anything.

If you are happy with everything within the game then I'm happy for you. That's super fantastic, but please fuck off with the assumptions. I'm not assuming nor saying that you are fairly average and bound to never accomplish anything worth mentioning, so why would you randomly assume things about "me" ?

Also, before I leave this thread for now, check out this link:

http://supermeatboy.com/57/Super_Update_/#b

It's an update from November 10th 2010. Of note is the FAQ portion toward the bottom where it is said that they will "fine tune the editor and level portal into a super smooth piece of awesomeness that will keep the community going for years."

I'm just saying that because I think it's silly to say that nobody will care about SMW next year...

I didn't think that SMB would fade, but due to how Edmund is handling the game I'm pretty sure he can manage to make people lose interest in the game like he wants.

Ryoko hasn't been banned, the OP is most likely an imposter. I'll have to verify this with him in the IRC though.
Ryoko deleted his account.  


Until then, here's something you should all keep in mind.

You did not pay for the Level Editor. You did not pay for Super Meat World.
You paid for Super Meat Boy as it was since release (After the first week of bugfixes of course). The game was complete when you bought it and at no point in time (After the first week) was it ever incomplete.
Super Meat World and the Level Editor were completely free additions*.

Let me break that down:

• Completely Free
• Additions

All you're entitled to from your purchase of Super Meat Boy was everything you've already had since release. Anything else is an extra bonus that didn't have to be made in the first place.


_{*Except for Team Meat who are paying for the level server out of pocket.}

I read what you say here, but it doesn't really hold any merit when they claimed to have made a lot of money of SMB.

How can you take pity to someone who got paid a lot for a job that they didn't finish? They claim to be finished, but a lot of people seem to disagree.
 
It annoys the fuck out of me that they seem to consider some of the posts not in their favor for "dickish". Ive seen some people go a little overboard in their anger, but it is justified. The game is so awesome and it promotes competition in a brilliant way. But the game is not being taken seriously by TM.

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15 years ago two brothers made a little game called "Across" and quickly followed it by another game called "Elasto Mania". These two games are still played to this day. The games were overall far worse than SMB is, but the fans took it to their hearts and the records of both games are still being updated http://www.moposite.com/records_elma_wrs.php. The concept is the same more or less, you race levels on a motorbike and you compete vs friends and foes. (They later went on to make the Motorcross Mania games amongst other games)

The money that these two made in the initial year of the game does not come close to what they made overall. The games were worse than SMB, but they were easy to get into and people would spend so much time competing with times and such. I know that SMB could be just like Across and Elasto Mania.

I'm not asking for new features to the game, I'm not asking for anything unreasonable here. I just want freaking bugs fixed and I want Edmund to not act like spoiled little whiny kid about it. You've more or less told people to fuck the game and it makes me ask myself what the hell is wrong with you? If I'll ever be involved in making games (I wont be.) then Ill communicate with the community and be humble and polite about it. Sure some people will always be dicks and you can ignore them, but when the community has started an uproar towards you then its quite clear that YOU fucked up.

But good luck with your new game, you failed your community with the first game and I'm sure no one will hold a grudge towards you online. Personally I cant wait to write unfavorable reviews towards your next game on various gaming sites based on your actions here today. I mean it almost writes itself. If your new game is not 100% polished then it will be so easy to tear it a new one based on what you've done with SMB. (or not done with it)

Edmund, you're acting like a total ass.


/Chase

Well written and I agree 100%.

So, there were some interesting articles posted to Steam today on the SMB level editor, and one of them I found especially interesting: The Eurogamer Article.

A post on Team Meat's blog reveals a final bug-fixing update next week will complete work on the game.

"After that we will be closing the book on the PC version, porting SMB to Mac and swiftly moving on to game #2 (because we can't seem to stay happy without working on something constantly)," Team Meat's Edmund McMillien explained.

McMillien previously told Eurogamer the two-man team's follow up will have nothing to do with their eponymous fleshy hero. "There will be another game but it won't be Meat Boy. It'll be totally new."

Hoping for a reprieve in the future? Bad news. Team Meat's blog post confirms this is the end. Full stop. "It's time to hand the reigns to the SMB community and retire."

"There won't ever be a Super Meat Boy 2."

I'm at a loss here.. I think we can safely say that I'm not buying their new game as it will probably be awesome, but they fuck it up royally again.

There should be an award in gaming for this. The "Managed to fuck up an amazingly promising game" award.

The worst thing is that they seem so naive about it. "Oh we got most things sorted so we can move on to a new game :)" Fuck off.

:/

So I noticed that they fixed 0 of the issues I had hoped that they would fix. That would be anything regarding to the competition aspect of the game.

They made a game with spot on controls, awesome levels, rocking music and an overall epic feel to it. It could have been THE game for friendly and unfriendly competition, yet the developers seem to ignore why the majority of the players play this game and it hurts my soul.

Imagine a couple that gave birth to the next Einstein, but insisted that their child had to work in McDonald's for the rest of it's life. It truly is horrible to watch.

In regard to anyone who defend the devs based on the time they invested into the game, well according to their own tweets they both got "filthy" rich of the game.

What the devs are doing to the game at this point is nothing short of a travesty. You both seem like really nice people, and I'm sure you're awesome guys to hang out with in real life, but the way you handle this games success is really not a good one.


/Chase

OK, not to start another argument or anything, but how exactly is that circular reasoning? The argument doesn't rely on itself being true.

No harm done. It that was not your goal by having that ending then its no problem really :).

What's even more horrifying is that supposedly they made it so that you have to use this feature in SMW to pass some levels.

That is most definitely false. If a level was so broken that it was not possible without exploits, Team Meat would never add it.

But anyway, I'm not really disappointed in it. I am a bit disappointed, but I won't be when it's completely finished. What would make me REALLY disappointed is if they never added in SMW recognizing level completion.

No, it's not "most definitely false"... 5 Levels were added for the ARG competition and those Levels CAN'T be completed, therefore they could NOT be uploaded unless they used some kind of a trick.

Yeah, I know about them. The thing is, he said there were levels that required use of the ALT-glitch to be completed. These levels are simply impossible to beat. They're unbeatable, exploits or not.

And that would be why people would be a little grumpy over the delay only to find maps that are impossible to beat without using a glitch. And when you glitchingly complete them it doesn't register it


/Chase the "nazi hipster".

You aren't supposed to beat them. Hell, you can't beat them. There is no Bandage Girl in any of the impossible levels, hence why they are impossible. Even if you do glitch, you still can't beat them. Getting grumpy because you can't beat a level you're not intended to beat is like being grumpy because there are no glitches in a game. It works the way it's intended to, so there's nothing to complain about, therefore you're complaining about nothing.

Ah shit, you sort of caught me on that one. When I replied to you I didn't really care to read exactly what you wrote. I just needed someone with an opinion to quote so I could keep on topic. Again sorry! It was more about tearing into that other guy. About 98% him and 2% you :/.


On page 1 I wrote:

What's even more horrifying is that supposedly they made it so that you have to use this feature in SMW to pass some levels. If this is true then I'm just... I'm at a loss really. Honestly if you know that this is NOT true, then I would really want you to point this out and explain wrong I am as if it is true then this game in a competitive setting is not worth putting effort into.

/Chase

But you told me that it was wrong and for that Im happy. Good stuff!

I would thank you more, but that circular reasoning thing at the end of your post was horrible, just plain horrible. Had you stopped typing after this:

You aren't supposed to beat them. Hell, you can't beat them. There is no Bandage Girl in any of the impossible levels, hence why they are impossible. Even if you do glitch, you still can't beat them.

Then it would have been a really good post. But you had to had to try to be fancy. Seriously, circular reasoning? Google it and never do it again please, it does not make anyone seem clever ever. Let me quote Wikipedia on that one "Such an argument is fallacious, because it relies upon its own proposition" And if Wikipedia tells you that you are wrong, then you probably are!

SMW no.

Level Editor yup(so far)

Neither SMW or the level editor is done yet so i do not think we should judge it just yet.
From how it looks now its pretty damn good and it gets the job done, if you ask me its going to be even better when its done. Though im not making levels in the editor yet sins the camera controles are still messed up.. and the lighting.. but its working now at least ^^

I agree totally mate. Can't wait for them to be done with the level editor! 

/Chase

[Point1:]

So SMW sucks because you can't compete with the community? Seriously?  

[..]A couple of the Chapters seem very amateurish[...]

There are people who only play games like this to show off their leaderboard ranks.

I will love it when the Level Editor comes out, and very very VERY amateurish levels come out, but thank oden for the voting system :3

Point1: Woha. I expect that to be the worst post to hit these forums today. [...], I have not met any of them here.

Point2: I have 20 or so of the top players on my steam friend list [...]

Point1: Just because you disagree with my position doesn't makes this a "day's worst post".
You can't say that people, who extreme trying to be on number one of some stupid leaderboards, just do this for the fun.
I'm one of these gamers who wants hard levels to complete, were I get frustrated while don't managing to finish them, but partying when I got finally through.

Point2: You really think this is in my area of interests? You sound like a hipster here who is like: "Yeah, I got alex evans and so many kewl scene kids on my facebook list".

Who are you to claim what can and can't be fun to people? You do know that different people like different things right? Saying what you said is so narrow minded that I hope you're just trying to troll me. I mean for your own sake that's would be a good thing in this situation as its leagues better than the alternative.

I'm sorry, I was wrong. The latest post you did right there is the worst post of the day. Congratulations. On the worst-post-of-the-day-leader-board you now have 2 and that's a high score right there! And I thought you didn't like that aspect of games.. Oh you!

It's not that I disagree with your point of view as much as the fact that you did seem to bash "the silly elitists". Maybe you didn't intend to do so, but that's how your post can be read. You seem to go more on person than subject and while that is your choice, it does make you about as contributing to this forum as one of those people who act like a "meme generators". (Spoiler: those people are cool!)


As for the 2nd part where you try accuse me of "name dropping" when I'm actually not dropping any names. Its a new thing on the internet and its called "reference". You know when someone makes a claim, they try to offer some proof to it so that it doesn't just seem like they are throwing wild random accusations out there. (Much like you did.) Let me hold your hand through this:

I Chase, talk to other people who like to focus on the competition part of the game. (We find this *gasp* fun!) When I talk to them the chats does not go like this: "LOL CHECK OUT MY TIME ON LEVEL X-X IM GOING TO GO POST IT ONLINE CAUSE IM THE BESTEST!!! ALSO IM SAD ON THE INSIDE AS THIS IS NOT FUN :(". It does however go more like this "Hey, nice time you got on level x-x. Ive been trying to beat it for an hour now. Did you do this and that?"

While it's "fun" to have this off topic thing going, Im going to reserve my right to not reply to you anymore unless you stay on topic. Feel free to call me any name that will make you feel better about yourself! ("Hipster" is good and barely overused! Same with "Tool". "Idiot" is too old school for a rebel like yourself. How about "nazi"?)

:)

What's even more horrifying is that supposedly they made it so that you have to use this feature in SMW to pass some levels.

That is most definitely false. If a level was so broken that it was not possible without exploits, Team Meat would never add it.

But anyway, I'm not really disappointed in it. I am a bit disappointed, but I won't be when it's completely finished. What would make me REALLY disappointed is if they never added in SMW recognizing level completion.

No, it's not "most definitely false"... 5 Levels were added for the ARG competition and those Levels CAN'T be completed, therefore they could NOT be uploaded unless they used some kind of a trick.

Yeah, I know about them. The thing is, he said there were levels that required use of the ALT-glitch to be completed. These levels are simply impossible to beat. They're unbeatable, exploits or not.

And that would be why people would be a little grumpy over the delay only to find maps that are impossible to beat without using a glitch. And when you glitchingly complete them it doesn't register it


/Chase the "nazi hipster".

So SMW sucks because you can't compete with the community? Seriously? 

I found SMW to be very fun, especially the Jumper levels. A couple of the Chapters seem very amateurish, sure, but it was still nice to have until Team Meat completes the original plan. Which they will, eventually. You guys have to remember, these guys worked on this game for years. I'm pretty sure they're a bit tired of ironing it out. They're not going to abandon it, just give them some time.

SMW is fine, but they said something along the lines of it being be done in January. Then it shows up 3 months later in beta. So people who has been looking forward to it goes "wtf?". This is while other severe issues goes unaddressed. I guess its fair to say that people care because they like the game. If they didn't they wouldn't be here.

So SMW sucks because you can't compete with the community? Seriously? 

[..]A couple of the Chapters seem very amateurish[...]

There are people who only play games like this to show off their leaderboard ranks.

I will love it when the Level Editor comes out, and very very VERY amateurish levels come out, but thank oden for the voting system :3

Woha. I expect that to be the worst post to hit these forums today. While I'm sure there are people who play games purely to show off their rank(s), I have not met any of them here. I have 20 or so of the top players on my steam friend list and when I talk to them that's simply not how it goes.

People play games to have fun and some people think it is fun to compete. (Heresy! Light the torches!)

Do I take a swing at you for being interested in a stupid editor that people only use to show off their creativity and gloat about how artistic they can be?

No I do not.

(I'm actually looking forward to some of the user made levels that I'm sure will be awesome!)

At this point we sort of need you to deliver here Maruhai. We've all come to expect more from you. Don't make us have to call your parents. And you know how that would go down right? Your parents would be FURIOUS by the fact that you're not posting 100% accurate things online. If I know your parents right (which I don't) Then In confident that you will be grounded. And no going to the skateboard park this weekend and Disney World in the summer!

Sorry but without trying to troll or something, from the fact that I'm French and thus I'm not pro with english, I didn't get a shit from what you said.

:)

When confronted about your age by another user in another thread you did claim to be 3 years old. I'm just playing along with what I'm sure was 100% accurate!

look at other 8-10€ games. Those games give you way less and this game is not even 100% finished yet.

Team Fortress 2.

Hah.

No, but you do know that comes down to Valves gazilion people with a pre built game engine versus 2 guys who had to make everything from scratch? Its basically an awesome mod.

However I support what you tried to say here.

Let me try that again then.

Garry's Mod.

Awws you're so cute! If I had van with "FREA CANDI" written on it then I would definitively consider to pick you up!

No, but GMod is also built on the source engine. So it's more or less a fancy mod made by Team Garry. And that makes is kind of the exact same thing as TF2 just more minecrafty!

At this point we sort of need you to deliver here Maruhai. We've all come to expect more from you. Don't make us have to call your parents. And you know how that would go down right? Your parents would be FURIOUS by the fact that you're not posting 100% accurate things online. If I know your parents right (which I don't) Then In confident that you will be grounded. And no going to the skateboard park this weekend and Disney World in the summer!

On topic:

Yeah SMW needs a leader board fix too. But in general the entire boards needs fixing. If not we end up having 0.00 times in SMW as well :(

I'm gutted, got the game in the steam sale and had 0 of my friends on it. I've managed to talk a few into getting it and now have about 7 friends to compete against. Likewise with 360 i have managed to talk 6-7 ppl into buying the game so we can do a bit of competitive speed running against eachother. The bugs are not affecting the actually gameplay, but the times etc which is a pretty fundimental issue for our purposes.

 We had all set up a level to try for good times (on 360) and it just so happens the score has glitched for me and is giving me a time of 0,0 seconds on the leaderboard :( . I actually thought it was a cheat ppl were using when i first saw these 0 second times on the leaderboards but have since realised it's not down to the player :S .

 Another level all trying to go for good times and i beat my friends time atleast 3 times. I recorded each replay and yet on the friends leaderboard i am still a fair bit slower?!?! (even though the map screen gives the same time as the replay did but the actual leaderboard says "nope". He's had the same problem with my score and i actually witnessed him beating mine.

I've not had the game for too long but i was putting up some decent times on some lvls and was enjoying having a couple of times in the top 150 (360) and top 400 (pc) with all the glitched scores residing above me.

Wouldn't be such a problem playing against friends if it just gave accurate times, but having to rely on other forums in order to post our times is just annoying :(

Me and my friends are not really that interested in SMW atm as we are still having fun with the original lvls. So why are team meat not focusing on these issues. Looking thru these forums and it doesn't seem to be that new an issue. I have talked so many ppl into buying smb and it's just frustrating not being able to play it the way it's meant to be played.

 Forget finetuning levels please guys and sort out these issues as smb is an awesome game to play, but for me and my friends it's like playing a game of cod and having all the guns removed from the game and replaced by kippers and totally ineffectual.

:(((((((((((

I know.

This game is so easy to get into and so fun to compete in versus your friends. Yet when you run into a situation like you did it ruins the fun. You didn't aim to cheat and that bug ruined the experience for you and your friends who wanted to have a legit race.

Your passion for it is understandable and its a good thing. It means that Team Meat made a truly amazing game. But some of the shortcomings hurt so much.

Imagine the chain event of it all. You talked 7 people into buying the game. And you had a great time at first. Imagine if some of these issues had been more smooth all along. Then perhaps those 7 guys would nag 2-3 others into giving the game a go. So on and so forth. This game didn't get to 235000 steam players by having fancy graphics. It made it by being truly unique in a very common genre.

Yet you have to experience a bug that ruins it all for you and your friends. You rightly bring this up on the forums as you care and in a civil way. You then have insanely big letters thrown at you while you're told to suck it up as these are "unfixable bugs".

I'm sorry for your total experience, but know that you're not alone :)


/Chase

[DEAL WITH IT.]

After reading the whole post and knowing they are unfixable bugs, I can only say one thing.

DEAL WITH IT.

"Unfixable bugs."