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[edmund]

if it was exclusively about forum users im sure the vote would pass. the other very important thing to remember is the handfull of members in this forum is in no way the majority of people who play the game, it only represents a very hardcore and dedicated group.

the pc version of the game has well over 300k active users currently and its very important to think about the majority in the case of erasing everyones best times in a game like SMB.

i know the SMB world seems isolated to this forum, but my inbox tells a greatly different story.

[RockLeeSmile]

Yeah, I get the point. I'll try my best to shut up now.

I wish I didn't have to be on the outside looking in on this. I have no idea why I feel so attached to this game...

For better or worse, I'd still love to shake both of your hands for the product in general.

[ogmozero]

Regardless, I think it'd be an interesting thought to announce on Steam as an update or what have you "VOTE ON RESETTING THE TIMES FOR LULZ AND ACCURACY", but eh. I think I'll do it out of my own curiosity and to partially contribute to this forum like I used to on Helix. lol

[Vaati33]

Super Meat Boy is one of my favorite games of all time, and I am perfectly fine with the way it is. Just about every game that has leaderboards has hackers, and it seems unavoidable to me. I have recently been starting to go for good times, and I don't mind one bit that there are people cheating because I can still compare times with a few of you guys here at this forum, and I can still get pretty high rankings and I know everyone who isn't cheating is in the same boat as myself.

Super Meat World is still great, and it is an added bonus. I don't understand why there has to be a big fuss about recording stats with the user-created levels. "Steam doesnt allow for leaderboards on every user created chapter, its not possible for us to do." If it's not possible, then let it rest. 

I really respect Team Meat for everything that they have done. I know you guys have put a lot of hard work into this game. SMB will continue to improve anyways thanks to future updates.

[Jintek]

Thanks for taking the time to explain it all Edmund.  And like I said my main issue is stability/bugs/glitches, I can live perfectly happy w/ what we have now if that comes to fruition (this includes the editor issues).  Obviously no product will ever be absolutely 100% problem free, but I think I speak for all of us when I say SMB (in terms of bugs/glitches/crashes excluding the leaderboards) isn't where it should be.

Before I start in, let me first say I love the vanilla product.  I would have bought it for $60, multiple times.  Probably my 2nd favorite 2D platformer this generation...even of all-time.  So I by no means intend to comes across as if I feel cheated or expected more than I got, quite the opposite.  I adore the game, maybe that's why I hold it to such a high standard w/ this stuff.

We all appreciate all the work, time, love, money and effort you guy's put into SMB...we wouldn't be here if we didn't at least I wouldn't.  I don't think for a second you guy's disregard your fans, I just think sometimes you might not be seeing it from our perspective.  But for a lot of people (expectations and assumptions or not) expected SMW to be "Teh Internets" and more, including myself.  Maybe that was a wrong assumption, and if so I can live without A+/completion in SMW considering the technical and financial situations w/ Steam, I fully understand XBL is different.  From my personal perspective it's a shame to see the Steam version get no level saving or leaderboards for selected chapters, but I can live with that, shit happens.

But from a bug perspective, and again I'm not intending to seem callous or ignorant of the intangibles...it's unacceptable at this point in time 6 months after release on PC.  In good conscience I couldn't recommend a good friend the Steam version just yet, I'd have to say the XBLA ver, and I hate to say that being a big PC gamer.  I understand Tommy must be really busy/annoyed with this bug shit and we all understand that, but there's also a thin line between "understanding the situation for the dev's" and "being a paying customer and experiencing occasional crashes 6 months after release"...on a Corei7/GTX480 setup.  There comes a point where I've got err on the side of my experience, which basically boils down to being vocal on this forum about it (I don't send you guy's emails).

So I definitely respect and understand your position and in a way I relate in a way (working in the IT security field where people constantly overlook hard work), and I'm sure you understand mine.  And I hope sometime soon we can be a little closer to teh Nintendo polish.  In any case, I don't mean to seem like an arrogant dick or anything I know theres always lots of BS to swim through, I'm just coming at it from a personal/customer perspective.

[edmund]

as far as xbla vs pc.. i would still always lean towards pc because of SMW, level editor and extra achievements. The xbla advantages are of course stability (because we only have to test for bugs on one system type) control (if you dont have a usb xbox pad) and a large tv to play the game on.

When it comes to the stability on pc.. things get iffy.

Now i will say SMB is currently 100% stable on a very great majority of Pcs (outside of SMW) ive honestly never experienced a crash on any of my pcs and we never get any stability feedback at all lately (this is a very good sign seeing as last month we sold a great deal of active copies and got no stability crash issues reported).

BUT!

As a pc gamer you know as well as i do that its IMPOSSIBLE to get your game to work on every single persons pc as it should. ive never ever played a pc game that didnt crash or have minor issues and bugs, and this is because how different everyones pcs actually are. we always update with any even minor crash issues that are reported (we should probably add them in our steam update news).

there no way a pc game can ever be as stable as a console game because a console is a single operating system you dev for.

that said, next game we do we will of course have the ability to test on more systems more intensively and hopefully will avoid most issues at launch.

[Stevolutionary]

I think the core issue here is a lot of people don't seem to understand that they in no way represent the majority.

I'm glad you released the figures Edmund of 300k regular players, as that just shows how presumptuous some people on the forum are for thinking because they and a few pals want leaderboard resets, they somehow speak with authority for everyone, when in fact the represent about 0.1% of the active playerbase.

Hell, this forum has (at time of posting) only 5841 members so even if every single person here sided with the complaints (including the spambots), it'd still only represent less than 2% of the current playerbase of one version. The vast majority of people playing the game don't experience bugs and don't expect the financially or technically impossible, especially on free features.

Long story short - a lot of people should have done their research before getting their panties in a twist and throwing pretty shitty accusations over certain issues, and need to understand with regards to the bigger picture of total players how silly their sense of self-importance (and entitlement) is/was.

Sorry if any of my posts were trollish or agressive - it just pisses me off when forums get a toxic environment like this did and a miniscule minority highjack the dialogue.

[The_End254]

Before I start in, let me first say I love the vanilla product.  I would have bought it for $60, multiple times.  Probably my 2nd favorite 2D platformer this generation...even of all-time.  So I by no means intend to comes across as if I feel cheated or expected more than I got, quite the opposite.  I adore the game, maybe that's why I hold it to such a high standard w/ this stuff.

We all appreciate all the work, time, love, money and effort you guy's put into SMB...we wouldn't be here if we didn't at least I wouldn't.  I don't think for a second you guy's disregard your fans, I just think sometimes you might not be seeing it from our perspective.  But for a lot of people (expectations and assumptions or not) expected SMW to be "Teh Internets" and more, including myself.  Maybe that was a wrong assumption, and if so I can live without A+/completion in SMW considering the technical and financial situations w/ Steam

First of all Edmund, thanks or taking the time to reply.
I'd basically echo what Jintek said here, if SMW can't be like Teh Internets then that's cool but as Jintek said I think a lot of people thought it would be and that's why people were getting annoyed etc.
If the 0.00 etc times can't be removed without a full leaderboard rest then that's fine too, I think most people figured you might be able to just remove those.

I don't want it to seem like I wasn't appreciating what you guys were doing as my game runs fine these days, as Jintek said we were just getting worked up because we really enjoy this game. Hell I've played it for almost 200 hours, I rarely do that these days with any game.

Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to respond.

[Sr. Domi]

Well, SMW could be a bit better, but I can make levels and play customs levels. I cant complain. Thanks for this support. But theres something I would like to ask you...

Why didn't you make that levels from SMW could be download? that would make no download time every time you enter the same level, and maybe help a lot about the leaderboards and save times on that level.

Thanks for everything, guys.

[Maruhai]

2. the level editor we promised in jan was basically a released devmode with no upload support or super meat world.

Ok so you actually admit you were lying, good job.

Also, I don't get what's the problem with saving level completion, you can just save it in your game file.

Oh and PS: Mac version ? y/n

[Stevolutionary]

Ok so you actually admit you were lying, good job.

No, it means they decided to deliver more than they originally promised and as a result it took longer, you ungrateful twat.

It was late because it suffered feature creep, not because they intentionally decieved anyone. I find it ironic you complain about portal imperfections, and then delays, when without the delays there wouldn't even be a damn portal to complain about.

Also, I don't get what's the problem with saving level completion, you can just save it in your game file.

Wow! I'm sure they haven't thought of that one! Good job! Did you not read the bit where he said it isn't possible without breaking the game in other areas other than spending a huge amount of time reprogramming that isn't financially viable for a free element that isn't used by many people at all?

[Chase]

Sorry if any of my posts were trollish or aggressive - it just pisses me off when forums get a toxic environment like this did and a miniscule minority highjack the dialogue.

You may not intend to come off like that, but you seem furious when you type. As if this whole ordeal goes on your family's honor and you're out for blood. To such an extent that reading your posts made me stop coming here for a while. Granted this was probably not a bad thing from your point of view, but well there it is..

And you sort of hijacked the thread yourself :|.

You write really well, but your self insight and/or logical grasp seem a bit off. Again no pun intended, but you did throw it out there. And for all I know I could be wrong.

[Chase]

Ok, im responding even though ive said most of this before.

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5. we do have a fix for the 0 time bug, but it means restarting all leaderboards. we have talked about this many times and the response is always "we would rather keep the 0's". and even after the 0's were gone.. people could still hack the game and add them.

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we obviously care a great deal about our fans.

-Edmund

Thanks for posting here Edmund, it was greatly appreciated and my kudos to you for keeping a calm tone when no one would have held it against you if you had vented some steam.

Personally I don't care about SMW or the editor. Not that I dont like them, its just not that appealing to me personally :)

I love the regular levels and I really enjoy speed running. I hear what you say about deleting the 0.0 times and such, but can't you delete the Steve times and say disable the time being registered when you press ALT during a run? And is it possible to ban individual steam players from contributing to the leader boards?

Are you open for ideas on how to handle this in more dept? As I have a fairly decent idea that wouldn't be too hard to implement from a programming point of view. If you honestly don't have time to look at it then that cool and Ill drop it, but if you do I can drop you a mail.

Also thanks for making SMB. Ive enjoyed this game the most out of all the games Ive played the last couple of years. That includes Minecraft, Portal 2 etc etc.

/Chase

[Stevolutionary]

Sorry if any of my posts were trollish or aggressive - it just pisses me off when forums get a toxic environment like this did and a miniscule minority highjack the dialogue.

You may not intend to come off like that, but you seem furious when you type. As if this whole ordeal goes on your family's honor and you're out for blood. To such an extent that reading your posts made me stop coming here for a while. Granted this was probably not a bad thing from your point of view, but well there it is..

And you sort of hijacked the thread yourself :|.

You write really well, but your self insight and/or logical grasp seem a bit off. Again no pun intended, but you did throw it out there. And for all I know I could be wrong.

Fair comment, duly noted.

I'm not actually angry, it's manufactured rage more than anything. I just saw an imbalance in the debate where there seemed a lot of ill thought out and nasty criticisms and accusations and no rebuttals, both in this thread and the locked one, so I decided to play devil's advocate for the voice of reason that was solely lacking.

I just feel that if people are going to be dickish about something (such as accusing the developers of lying as above... I mean, seriously?) then they deserve a dickish reply. I'm not actually angry, or even mildly annoyed. I just feel it deserves a response in kind as I've no time to be polite to someone who isn't polite themselves, but again, it's all threatre just to show them how it feels.

I'm sorry my posts may have made you leave the forum for a while, but the repeated attacks on the developers and the persistant negative atmosphere to created made me leave the forums for a while, so you need to look at it both ways, and see why I wanted to speak up.

I'll cease my thread highjack anyhow as I have said my piece (which I also said before, but mean it this time!)  

[QcChopper]

I bought a blender on the net, it was shipped to me without a blade and I contacted the sales people and said WTF, there is no blade?! The answer I got is that they tried to put one in but it seemed it was impossible, and said it was my fault for taking for granted that a blender should come with a blade...

As hard as I try not to be a dick here, well, I still see no reason whatsoever I should play SMW and will not, whatever is said and done I consider SMW flawed beyond common sense (completion, times and A+, I don't care about leaderboards at all). The Super Meat Boy Ultra edition is an awesome paper weight though.