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[The Silent Protagonist]

10. Treating the fans


This is a really interesting case on most parts, which comes down to not whether or not Nintendo listen to their fans or not, but more or less how Nintendo try to respond to the fans given issues on any situation.  When asked that casual games are thrown out the window in terms of a more immersive and deep experience?  They give us old, overdone IPs with much easier mechanics and no depth to the game whatsoever rather than catering to the gameplay mechanics of yesterday.  When asked to do away with Wind Waker's style of graphics?  They do so...for one game.  Then they proceed to shell out not only two games with the similar style of graphics (and the similar tedium of sailing/riding the rails), but they do nothing in order to improve on the negative aspects of such.  If one were to look at Skyward Sword's gameplay trailers, it's Wind Waker's enemies with the Twilight Princess-styled Link.

Miyamoto-san better have good writers to make up for this aesthetical mistake.

Oh, let's not forget the amount of lawsuits of which they send out each year to their fans!  Boardering on Square Enix's failures with deleting fan projects, Nintendo have expressed strong discontent for any ROM hacks or community work done of their games, going as far as to send a C&D letter to fansites Serebii and Pokebeach for posting screenshots of Pokemon Black and White, a game which was already released in Japan.  Their reasons?  Bad publicity, apparently.  Oh, and that's only the most recently known and famous case of this.





9. Ignoring their few decent IPs with potential remaining

Let's see...Custom Robo, Pikmin, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Mother...

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Sound familiar to any of you?

No?


These were probably some of the more innovative ideas from Nintendo.  Some succeeded and some met high critical acclaim.  However, Nintendo refuse to do quite a few things with franchises like these, including not localize them...or more likely just ignore them altogether and pretend that they never existed in the first place.

The worst case of this is Fire Emblem, a well-written game by Nintendo's standards which raises the platform of risk taken with strategy games, and the inventor of the strategy RPG genre.  As of the remake of Fire Emblem 3 for the DS, Nintendo has stopped localizing the series, even though most of the localizations of the game were met to acclaim (FE7 and 9 come to immediate mind).  Why?  It wasn't selling enough for them apparently...even though the total sales of these games surpassed those in Japan.  Well done Nintendo *slow clap*

Oh, where's Pikmin 3, guys?


8. Online Support

Play Brawl.  Enough said.








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Fine, I'll elaborate.

Online gaming is the way of the multiplayer future.  Guess what Nintendo doesn't touch upon?  Guess what could have made NSMBWii replayable?

That's right!


And that's all the elaboration you'll get besides its completely shitty speed and lag issues.




7. Lack of TPS

I think when the 64 rolled around, a lot of people jumped off the Nintendo ship.  The few that stayed around have been releasing lackluster title after title for the later Nintendo systems, and saving all the good junk for the PC, Sony and Microsoft lines of games.  Nintendo need to win over this support again in order to win over a crowd.  Atlus seem to be coming back, as well as Capcom...and a few mediocre indie developers.  However, that's not going to be enough to save Nintendo from being a Shovelware-endorsing company.


Whatever happened to the Nintendo Seal of Quality anyway?  We need to get that back.



6. Prices

$60 for a first party title on launch.  It usually drops to $40.


I can get shit on Steam better than a first party Nintendo title for $2.  Psychonauts comes to mind.

30 Psychonauts for 1 NSMBWii.  This is how Nintendo get away with making their systems dirt cheap.





5. Localization


Above example: Fire Emblem.  New Example: Mother 3.


It took a fan translation made by a small team of decent people to finally get a proper localization over to the Americas.  There's a good few million bucks out of your wallet Nintendo.

Oh, to add salt to the wound of Nintendo's credibility, Mother 3 was the last good game of which they have released as to date...with a story and gameplay with such incredible depth that one would be surprised to actually see it has the Nintendo label on it.  Until you realize that it was directed by a man named Shigesato Itoi anyway, who has nothing to do with Nintendo other than creating the Mother series.

So what does Nintendo do with their last great game?  Not localize it.  Why?  They didn't think it would sell well due to it being a jRPG.


Do they steal away their internet connections over at the Nintendo office buildings or something?


"I would rather see Mother 3 over here rather than Mario Kart Eleventy Billion, The Next Generation" - Ben Croshaw


4. Gimmicks


Nobody cares about touch screens, stereoscopic 3D or motion controls.  Nobody ever will, unless they're drawn in by mass media promoting it as the way of the future.  The serious gamer will be immersed by ways of thumbs and buttons.  It has been traditional because it fucking works.



3. Sequel Stagnation

Enough money to generate three third world countries for a year, and Nintendo still doesn't want to touch on new IPs.  Instead, we see another Mario, Zelda, Pokemon Metroid each year from them.  And the shit never significantly changes (especially with Pokemon.  How that series is still breathing is due to a fanbase of imbeciles).

Oh, and as far as new IPs go, I'm not talking about Wii Sports or Brain Age.  I'm talking about a truly immersive gamer's experience of which can delve you into the world again.  Why people keep asking for a new Ocarina of Time is because it succeeded in the field of immersion and ended up being a true epic by all levels...and not because they want a new Zelda game of a similar nature.  We want to be entertained on an intellectual level already, dammit.


2. Lack of ability to take risk

This corresponds with the above.  Hardware risk doesn't count.  Let's see Nintendo try and do something truly different with the software of which is presented before them all over again.  They made gaming's base.  Now it's time to expand on it and prove to the world before our eyes that gaming = artform.  That is the direction it has been taking with truly serious developers, and with Nintendo's money, money and more money that they have...they could push the boundaries so that gaming is seen at the same level as movies, novels or music is seen at.

But they're stuck in the same place.  Why?  They cash in.  Due to a retarded fanbase who would defend Nintendo even if they released Japanese military propaganda within a game about aiming nukes at Russia.

I'm beginning to see Nintendo as a lost cause for gaming.  They innovated back in the day, sure.  They're not needed now anymore.


1. Artistic Integrity

See above.





I wrote this all down in a stream of consciousness without any serious merit of writing at 3 in the morning shut your fucking mouth goddamn I can't type fuck shit balls.

[KC599]

It was already said some time ago that Nintendo 'dislikes' their hardcore fans and would rather cater to a much larger fan base.

However, their system was long outdated before it even came out, yet it didn't slow down sales because of a rather crappy gimmick.  As a matter of fact, all they did was add more and now you got people exercising with it and dancing.  Ugh.

As a gaming system, it fails pretty hard as I still have more launch / 1 year from launch games than other games that came out later.

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I actually have (and play) more DS games than Wii games, which is unsurprising since they really can't do much to mess that up.  That's probably why they're so eager to release the 3DS.

As for your points.

10 - Agreed

9 - Strongly Agreed

8 - Haha, it's so bad.  Then again I kinda expected this as Nintendo is not up to snuff with online when they really need to at this point.  Hell, the DS doesn't even use Wireless G or AES security, which means you have to lower your security of your Router to a dangerous level if you wanted to take your DS online.

7 - Yea, both the Wii and the DS have an alarming amount of shovelware.  It seriously makes me wonder how all of these companies even release games for them as most of them are terrible.

6 - I actually haven't bought a new Wii game for more than $50.  Too bad the majority of them are still not worth that price.

5 - That's a problem with a good number of game creators.  It may cost money, but there are some great games that I'll never play because I simply can't read what they are telling me.  I really can't just put the blame on Nintendo on this one.

4 - This was answered higher up in my post.

3 - I'm going to have to agree.  Not only that, but a few of the sequels were just plain terrible or not changed enough to make them worthy of purchasing.  Sure, Donkey Kong Country Returns and Kirby: Epic Yarn were actually good games, but then you also got Metroid: Other M and Super Paper Mario that aren't worth recommending.

2 - Didn't you hear?  3D is the wave of the future!  It's going to redefine gaming!  Yea, I certainly do miss the old Nintendo.

1 - Considering their success outside of hardcore gaming, I don't think changing would be good for them at this point; which is why games like Just Dance 2 can outsell DKCR.  What a waste.

[LeetFruitBoy]

tl;dr

that is all.

[kaicooper]

the only Reason i hate Nintendo is:

* Super Mario Stories never change
just Princess kidnapped then u must help her

[Naity]

the only Reason i hate Nintendo is:

* Super Mario Stories never change
just Princess kidnapped then u must help her

Not always. in Super Mario RPG (Super Famicom) it begins like that, but while you try to rescue her, sth attack Bowser castle and kick you, the princess and bowser out. You'll have to team up with Bowser to beat the enemy.

That was in 1996, but this attempt to change the story was quite cool.

[kaicooper]

the only Reason i hate Nintendo is:

* Super Mario Stories never change
just Princess kidnapped then u must help her

Not always. in Super Mario RPG (Super Famicom) it begins like that, but while you try to rescue her, sth attack Bowser castle and kick you, the princess and bowser out. You'll have to team up with Bowser to beat the enemy.

That was in 1996, but this attempt to change the story was quite cool.

im not talking about Shit RPG..i hate RPG ..but RPG stories always Rules and great

try The Best Super Mario Game = SUPER MARIO GALAXY 1,2 and New Super Mario Bros

just the Same story 

[orci]

the only Reason i hate Nintendo is:

* Super Mario Stories never change
just Princess kidnapped then u must help her

Not always. in Super Mario RPG (Super Famicom) it begins like that, but while you try to rescue her, sth attack Bowser castle and kick you, the princess and bowser out. You'll have to team up with Bowser to beat the enemy.

That was in 1996, but this attempt to change the story was quite cool.

Which is why Legend of the Seven Stars will always be the best non-side-scrolling Super Mario game. In fact, I might call it even better than the side-scrollers...

I remember my roommate was extremely hyped for the Wii version of Smash Bros. It was released, and he could barely get into an online game the first few weeks, let alone finish one. After those few weeks, he could finally connect to games, but the lag was be so bad it was impossible to compete. He was furious to say the least, because he was actually quite good at the game and entered tournaments.

As for my own stance on current Nintendo, I very much disliked the Wii going super-family friendly. Sorry, but I'm not buying your crappy system just for a Zelda game and Super Mario Galaxy with Nintendo 64 graphics.

I'm also not at all hyped for the 3DS, the graphics aren't all that above the current DS, and the launch lineup is horrible. I also dislike 3D.

I'm very hyped for the supposed PSP2 announcement tomorrow from Sony though, even if it's $300-$350.

[Naity]

the only Reason i hate Nintendo is:

* Super Mario Stories never change
just Princess kidnapped then u must help her

Not always. in Super Mario RPG (Super Famicom) it begins like that, but while you try to rescue her, sth attack Bowser castle and kick you, the princess and bowser out. You'll have to team up with Bowser to beat the enemy.

That was in 1996, but this attempt to change the story was quite cool.

im not talking about Shit RPG..i hate RPG ..but RPG stories always Rules and great

Nevertheless, it is still an official mario game developped by Nintendo and whch marketing was as important as any Super Mario plateformer.

[Suyo]

Nevertheless, it is still an official mario game developped by Nintendo and whch marketing was as important as any Super Mario plateformer.

Nope, it was developed by Square 

I'm still having Wii and DS, but for DS there's nothing I'm playing right now, and I use the Wii mostly for BIT.TRIP and multiplayer. Nothing beats Brawl in local multiplayer.
The point I really agree with is the Online one. The friend code stuff is a stupid idea, and even with the 3DS they keep that. It's jsut one FC for all games then, but still, why not a name chosen by the player so you can acutally remember it? 

[Naity]

Nope, it was developed by Square 

My mistake. I was reffering to that :

and forgot it was square who developped it.

[The Silent Protagonist]

Dammit, read the thread and comment on the points.  You're all off topic :I

[orci]

Not sure what thread you're reading but every post in related to Nintendo and our opinions of why we like or dislike them.

You didn't even ask for opinions on the matter. You just posted all your points as fact and didn't ask any questions regarding what we think, or for our input.

The topic is what those of us reading it make it to be. Maybe you needed to add more direction in which you wanted discussion on...

(Most of the questions you did ask you answered yourself in the next sentence, because you obviously didn't want any opinions but your own).

[FlyingPigBoy]

Although the points brought up in this thread are all good ones, it really perplexes me as to why people just love to suddenly bitch about nintendo for no reason. I mean, just don't buy their crap if it makes you so mad.

I mean, if someone says "OMG wii sports is my fav game FTW!!!" Then you could respond with your rebuttal.

But posting a 4 or 5 paragraph rant about Nintendo just seems a little... unprovoked?

Did a wii kill your family or something?

[The Silent Protagonist]

Although the points brought up in this thread are all good ones, it really perplexes me as to why people just love to suddenly bitch about nintendo for no reason. I mean, just don't buy their crap if it makes you so mad.

I mean, if someone says "OMG wii sports is my fav game FTW!!!" Then you could respond with your rebuttal.

But posting a 4 or 5 paragraph rant about Nintendo just seems a little... unprovoked?

Did a wii kill your family or something?

They're killing games.  People are provoked by that.

[FlyingPigBoy]

Although the points brought up in this thread are all good ones, it really perplexes me as to why people just love to suddenly bitch about nintendo for no reason. I mean, just don't buy their crap if it makes you so mad.

I mean, if someone says "OMG wii sports is my fav game FTW!!!" Then you could respond with your rebuttal.

But posting a 4 or 5 paragraph rant about Nintendo just seems a little... unprovoked?

Did a wii kill your family or something?

They're killing games.  People are provoked by that.

They are NOT killing games. They're sucking over in their own little corner of the universe.
Just go play Call of Duty or God of War 3 or whatever makes you happy and try not to think about the HORRORS that Nintendo has unleashed into the world of the gamer, and I bet you'll cheer right up.