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[MegaMew]

What he said.  Also keep in mind that if it was socially acceptable for you to shower with women, your views on nudity would be totally different since you would have grown up with naked women all around you.

[CaRniVoRe]

Carnivore - Do you ever visit the gym? I guarentee you will have showered many, many, many times with gay men, and not once have you been raped or seen anyone looking at your junk so saw someone getting an erection.

My village does not have a gym. Before you say "your village has no gym but it has internet?" I get internet thru the flux capacitor I stole. I use aborted fetuses as fuel.

Some additional points - I'm sure you've caught a glimpse before too. Are you now gay? Do you deserve a bashing? Secondly, maybe they just don't find you attractive, and worthy of a grenade yourself? Also what makes you think you'd win the face bashing contest? No all gay men are effeminate.

Yes. I have seen a penis. So I am now gay. Thank you for helping me to realize this. My girlfriend will be disappointed.

If women are literally falling over themselves to jump your bones, then don't expect men to either. If anything, most gay men i've met are waaaaay higher visual standards than most straight women do when it comes to being attracted to man. I'm sure i've been in the shower with many gay men and I just wasn't their type.

I assume you meant "aren't" but you failed. Nice try. I highly doubt any woman or man would want to fall over themselves to jump my bones. I have a hairlip as well as a lazy eye. If you have fantasies about gay men being in the shower with you, that is your business not mine. Good luck with that.

OK now for some seriousness. My assumption is that this response will be what gets me banned so meh, its been a good run. Take care folks.

First off you put words in peoples mouthes. So I did a lil of the same. Your welcome. You aren't some upper echelon form of intelligence. Just a bored idiot with a thesaurus. I do not FEAR getting raped. Plus how do you know I haven't been raped ? You don't. I'm grossed out by gay dudes I dont know staring at me. I have every right to be grossed out. Does this mean I hate them ? No it does not. You assumed this. I never said I bashed or would bash anyone. This is something ELSE you assumed. You are obviously an idiot. I know all gay men arent effeminate. I didn't say all gay men were effeminate. You assumed I was implying this when I was not. Again, fail, you sir are an idiot. My gay buddy isn't effeminate. He would love to slap you around and make you his whiny little bitch. I will however throw a grenade into a room full of fat chicks. I stand behind that 100%.

In conclusion, alot of your arguments fail because you respond with the assumption that your logic is undeniable. I'm not making assumptions when i say that. I have read all your posts. It is a fact. Sadly your logic fails you. Your oppinion isn't always the correct one. Just because I say something someone finds offensive doesn't mean it was my purpose to offend. I'm not going to censor myself because certain people are emo. When I have been a lil over the top I apologized. I happen to like LeetFruitBoy. I enjoy reading his posts. Yours tho... meh you sound like someone with a messiah complex. Get off my nuts bro. You assume too much and put words in my mouth. Its pathetic really. Someone give this guy a hug.

Megamew I would quote you but you aren't worth my time. You troll me ever so subtly. Some might not realize this. But I do. You sir can also get off my nuts.

I'll say it again. I have no problem with gay people. I do however have strong views on this topic. It is my belief that our society (at least in America) needs to adapt to better suit the rights of gay and straight people alike. I think gay folks should get their own bathrooms\showers so that they can avoid the type of GAY BASHERS I speak of when I say things like:

 "Unless you count the part where the straight guy catches you peaking and bashes your face into the floor repeatedly. "

My gay friend has been gay bashed because of things of this nature. He has been brutally beaten up because of horrible people that I was referring to when I made that statement. This is something none of you assumed. So you have all failed in your assumption that I am a homophobe/gay basher. All of this anger and hostility towards me just proves my belief that we live in a society of people who are overly sensitive and too easily offended. Sad thing is my gay friend is less emo and sensitive than the whole lot of you. We have conversations of this nature quite often. Strange. Quit taking yourselves so seriously.

In the end, I love everyone unless they give me a reason not to. If you dont like what I say. Too bad I guess. Until I am banned you will just have to suffer and suck it up. I'm pretty sure though that you will get your wish soon. I never last very long in any forum because my oppinions and use of language offend too many. Doesn't mean im gunna change 

K. Think thats it. Peace n what not. I gotta head home from work.

[MegaMew]

Megamew I would quote you but you aren't worth my time. You troll me ever so subtly. Some might not realize this. But I do. You sir can also get off my nuts.

Wait, what?

I'm not sure what you're referring to, and I can assure you that I never meant to troll anyone. (except maybe this guy  )
http://supermeatboy.com/forum/index.php/topic,16.msg433.html#msg433
I'm sorry if you ever got the impression that I was trolling you, but I promise that it was never my intent.  Perhaps I just in general disagree with your opinions and as a result it comes off as subtle trolling?  That by no means means I'm trying to be disagreeable, and doesn't mean I don't respect your right to differing opinions.

Again, sorry for the confusion and sorry if I made you feel disliked or whatever 

[CaRniVoRe]

Megamew I would quote you but you aren't worth my time. You troll me ever so subtly. Some might not realize this. But I do. You sir can also get off my nuts.

Wait, what?

I'm not sure what you're referring to, and I can assure you that I never meant to troll anyone. (except maybe this guy  )
http://supermeatboy.com/forum/index.php/topic,16.msg433.html#msg433
I'm sorry if you ever got the impression that I was trolling you, but I promise that it was never my intent.  Perhaps I just in general disagree with your opinions and as a result it comes off as subtle trolling?  That by no means means I'm trying to be disagreeable, and doesn't mean I don't respect your right to differing opinions.

Again, sorry for the confusion and sorry if I made you feel disliked or whatever 

Well in that case I sorreh 

I assumed. Bad things happen when you make assumptions. My apologies bro.

[MegaMew]

Well, you know what they say about assuming:
"It makes an ass out of u and me"
"Don't do it"

But seriously, that's one of the reasons I hate to debate with people on teh internets.  In real life you can tell by the way somebody composes themselves if they are still comfortable, if they're getting upset, if their using hyperbole to make a point, etc.  On teh internets we are all stuck behind a pesky little barrier called text.  Suddenly the visual cues go bye bye and things risk getting messy.

I accept your apologeh, and say sorreh once more for myself 

[Stevolutionary]

My questions were not a case of putting words in your mouth, they were simply intended as rhetorical - not one of which I implied you endorsed (or they wouldn't have been rhetorical, duh! Who's the idiot now?) The answer to all of them was obviously no, I don't believe you do feel that way. It's called exaggerating for effect, but your pretty silly overreaction shows you have some serious insecurity issues with your (quite ignorant) views being challenged.

All of this anger and hostility towards me just proves my belief that we live in a society of people who are overly sensitive and too easily offended. Sad thing is my gay friend is less emo and sensitive than the whole lot of you. We have conversations of this nature quite often. Strange. Quit taking yourselves so seriously.

The irony here of course is you're the only person here who got offended and acted so sensitively you had to reply with a bizarre wall o' text against your imagined enemies replete with straw men. The only person here taking this seriously and acting all emo i'm afraid is you. Quit crying. And stop putting so many words in people's mouths too when you (falsely) accused us of that. You are projecting to an almost pathological degree.

I don't remember being angry or hostile to you before, I simply made a single sarcastic post, and you spazzed out. I think you're massively overestimating the effect your opinions have had on any of us. I read uneducated, boorish, misogynistic and macho-inseucre posts like yours a million times a day on the interent. What makes you think yours are in any way remarkable to me? I just dismiss them instantly as I would any other inane idiot who says overweight women should be killed and is terrified of people looking at his penis, as they're pretty much the views of a socially backwards child.

Calm down, chill out. Nobody is out to get you, but nobody particularly gives a shit about your views either (or mine for that matter) You've simultaneously created a drama that didn't exist and cast yourself in the lead, complete with faux-victimization such as "this will be the post that gets me banned!!!"

No it won't. It didn't even contain a single thing that offended me apart from the lack of accuracy and hypocrisy. Get over yourself, learn to handle criticism, and stop being such a fucking drama queen.

[LeetFruitBoy]

I happen to like LeetFruitBoy.

I happen to like you too <3

[electric_shaman]

Fucking hell it reeks of troll in here

Just leave it Carnivore, he's not worth the time or effort it takes to even read his post (if he ever stops editing it)

[Stevolutionary]

Fucking hell it reeks of troll in here

Just leave it Carnivore, he's not worth the time or effort it takes to even read his post (if he ever stops editing it)

« Last Edit: Today at 06:36:57 PM by electric_shaman »

 

[MegaMew]

Fucking hell it reeks of troll in here

Just leave it Carnivore, he's not worth the time or effort it takes to even read his post (if he ever stops editing it)

Carnivore apologized.
Trolls never apologize as it is a sign of weakness.
ergo....
Carnivore is not a troll.

Having strong and/or controversial opinions =/= trolling

[electric_shaman]

Fucking hell it reeks of troll in here

Just leave it Carnivore, he's not worth the time or effort it takes to even read his post (if he ever stops editing it)

Carnivore apologized.
Trolls never apologize as it is a sign of weakness.
ergo....
Carnivore is not a troll.

Having strong and/or controversial opinions =/= trolling

Nah, it was Stevo I was referring to.
And I was mainly referring to the fact that he'd been editing his post for like half an hour, with each addition adding more and more inflammatory items.

[Stevolutionary]

Fucking hell it reeks of troll in here

Just leave it Carnivore, he's not worth the time or effort it takes to even read his post (if he ever stops editing it)

Carnivore apologized.
Trolls never apologize as it is a sign of weakness.
ergo....
Carnivore is not a troll.

Having strong and/or controversial opinions =/= trolling

He's actually accusing me of being a troll, not Carnivore.

Nah, it was Stevo I was referring to.
And I was mainly referring to the fact that he'd been editing his post for like half an hour, with each addition adding more and more inflammatory items.

EDIT  - ( ) The reason I edit my posts a lot is because I change my mind after re-reading posts, which I reserve the right to. I wasn't adding more inflammatory points in order to get a reaction, what is there now is my actual view. I posted a pretty diplomatic one at first, but then thought "screw it" and put back in what I really thought, seeing as Carnivore was hardly the model of politeness, and I don't see why I should be polite to someone who posts inane drivel.

I wasn't trolling, I was re-considering, then erasing, earlier attempts at diplomacy. Trolling equates to going for a reaction. As I put earlier, I consider the majority of his posts pretty backwards so don't care much about his response and probably won't bother reading it, and certainly won't reply to it.

What made me reply to this one was the self pitying crap about how he's victimized and we're all bullying him, yet then accusing us of being oversensitive. I'm sorry, but i'll always be a sucker for condemning massive hypocrisy.

Your post has actually annoyed me though when his didn't, seeing as someone can openly call for the segregation of gay men in public spaces and say overweight women should be killed, yet my critical response to that offends you more than that ignorant crap?  

[MegaMew]

He's actually accusing me of being a troll, not Carnivore.

Oh wow, reading comp for the lose.  That's my bad

[electric_shaman]

He's actually accusing me of being a troll, not Carnivore.

But I agree with your assessment. I don't believe either myself or Carnivore is trolling at all, but ironically I think Shaman is trolling as he's contributing nothing to the debate other than to try to discredit a poster's argument without any backup at all.

Disagree with me all you like, but give a reason or shut up.

EDIT  - ( ) The reason I edit my posts a lot is because I change my mind, which I reserve the right to. I wasn't adding more inflammatory points in order to get a reaction, what is there now is my actual view. I posted a pretty diplomatic one at first, but then thought "screw it" and put back in what I really thought, seeing as Carnivore was hardly the model of politeness.

I wasn't trolling, I was re-considering, then erasing, earlier attempts at diplomacy. Trolling equates to going for a reaction. As I put earlier, I consider the majority of his posts pretty backwards so don't care much about his response and probably won't bother reading it, and certainly won't reply to it.

What made me reply to this one was the self pitying crap about how he's victimized and we're all bullying him, yet then accusing us of being oversensitive. I'm sorry, but i'll always be a sucker for condemning massive hypocrisy.

Eh, I'm just not weighing in an opinion on this argument because I don't fully get what there would be to contribute. He misunderstood your post and for whatever reason, flew off the handle about it. A simple "lulz you read it wrong noob" would have sufficed.

And if you're not trying to add more fuel to the fire and incite a reaction, then why do you feel the need to include so much exaggeration for effect?

[Stevolutionary]

Eh, I'm just not weighing in an opinion on this argument because I don't fully get what there would be to contribute. He misunderstood your post and for whatever reason, flew off the handle about it.

And if you're not trying to add more fuel to the fire and incite a reaction, then why do you feel the need to include so much exaggeration for effect?
And why in the world would you spend so long editing a post if you have no intention of reading the reply. That's just...  

Because I feel people should have two sides to every story, that's all. The post isn't for him, but for others to then balance both arguments rather than allow something stupid to remain unanswered. If they then still think i'm a dick - then fine.

I use exaggurated language, as how MegaMew points out, subtlety and subtext are easy to miss in text (especially given the intelligence of the average forum poster...) and also the best way to fight fire is with fire - giving a polite response to a hostile post gives the impression you're submitting to their view, which is not the cae at all. I viewed it with derision, so I edited my language had to reflect that.

But that's why I edit my posts, because unlike Carnivore who managed to misunderstand both mine and Mew's posts and jump in with two feet, I make the effort to re-read and gain that subtext, which is why I originally criticised you, then deleted it, because I realised your attacking me was not simple political disagreement, but the thought I was trolling, which is fair enough. I went back and put more criticism in my posts on Carnivore because I re-read his post and realised he was just a massively hypocritical drama queen projecting all his insecurities on us.

...but anyway...

This is all missing the point - the topic is about homosexuality, and my annoyance towards him comes from him advocating segregation based on sexuality, which is bigoted and moronic, and his suggestion that somehow we're the sensitive ones when he lives in motal fear of someone gay looking at his penis.

His opinion of me isn't relevent. That is, that was stupid, so I treated him likewise. It's 2011, not 1950. His argument that he wants this for the benefit of gay men is a complete lie, seeing as I know many gay men, and not a single one would advocate this - only the bigots do.