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[Stevolutionary]

But in the interest of debate, how come  you seem to rely solely on science for answers? Is that not just as close minded as blindly following a religion? How can you close your mind off to one way of thinking like that?

That isn't even worth responding to. Equating something demonstrable and provable that positively effects the lives of billions in thousands of different ways every day to something almost entirely without basis is laughable.

[electric_shaman]

But in the interest of debate, how come  you seem to rely solely on science for answers? Is that not just as close minded as blindly following a religion? How can you close your mind off to one way of thinking like that?

That isn't even worth responding to. Equating something demonstrable and provable that positively effects the lives of billions in thousands of different ways every day to something almost entirely without basis is laughable.

Okay, forget the equating to religion part. How is subscribing to scientific explanation and discarding all other theories an unbiased mode of thought?

[Stevolutionary]

But in the interest of debate, how come  you seem to rely solely on science for answers? Is that not just as close minded as blindly following a religion? How can you close your mind off to one way of thinking like that?

That isn't even worth responding to. Equating something demonstrable and provable that positively effects the lives of billions in thousands of different ways every day to something almost entirely without basis is laughable.

It's not and I didn't. Science isn't a club. It's all knowledge and all enquiry. RELIGION is what claims universal truths and bans critical thoughts, NOT science.

[electric_shaman]

It's not and I didn't. Science isn't a club. It's all knowledge and all enquiry. RELIGION is what claims universal truths and bans critical thoughts, NOT science.

You clearly don't understand this and it's not worth my time educating you on the subject.

I apologise, I inferred incorrectly from your posts that you are purely a logic driven thinker. Independent of the religion debate, I was questioning the validity of this mode of thinking.

[Stevolutionary]

It's not and I didn't. Science isn't a club. It's all knowledge and all enquiry. RELIGION is what claims universal truths and bans critical thoughts, NOT science.

You clearly don't understand this and it's not worth my time educating you on the subject.

I apologise, I inferred incorrectly from your posts that you are purely a logic driven thinker. Independent of the religion debate, I was questioning the validity of this mode of thinking.

I'm neither a logic or an emotion based thinker, i'm interested in results. I'm not trying to flame, but it annoys me the idea that all beliefs are equal. They aren't. Some are demonstrably stupid.

[electric_shaman]

I'm neither a logic or an emotion based thinker, i'm interested in results. I'm not trying to flame, but it annoys me the idea that all beliefs are equal. They aren't. Some are demonstrably stupid.

Fair enough. Anyway, I'm dropping back out of this debate now, seeing as there's nothing for me to inject.

[McJones]

And no, religion is not open to interpretation. Spirituality is, but set religions are not. I'd wager I know far more about the Bible than you do and could quote you page after page of where homosexuality is calssed as an abomination, and death is the punishment, not least of all tale of Sodom and Gomorrah where god essentially calls down a fucking meteor to wipe out a city because they were gay.

In the interest of accuracy, homosexuality was not the only reason for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. There were a number of immoral things going on in those cities.

You are correct that the Bible condemns homosexuality and says the punishment is death. However, what you may not realize is that all sin is worthy of death according to the Bible.

Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

So don't misunderstand. It is not the Biblical teaching to execute homosexuals. According to the Bible we are all equally guilty and deserving of death. Since we are all guilty, it is not our place to judge others. The only rightful judge is God.

[MegaMew]

I think I'll just leave this here 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bar3GOzDNzg

[Stevolutionary]

And no, religion is not open to interpretation. Spirituality is, but set religions are not. I'd wager I know far more about the Bible than you do and could quote you page after page of where homosexuality is calssed as an abomination, and death is the punishment, not least of all tale of Sodom and Gomorrah where god essentially calls down a fucking meteor to wipe out a city because they were gay.

In the interest of accuracy, homosexuality was not the only reason for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. There were a number of immoral things going on in those cities.

You are correct that the Bible condemns homosexuality and says the punishment is death. However, what you may not realize is that all sin is worthy of death according to the Bible.

...and people think this a book full of morality and inspiration because? If it wasn't for the fact the book threatens you with eternal torture if you don't endorse it, even a child would reject it as grossly unethical.

Yes, I was aware the cities didn't perish exclusively due to homosexuality, but that is one of the major reasons, which is how Sodomy became a byword for anal sex, due to Sodom.

What a psychotic sadist god is - he creates us broken, then demands upon pain of eternal torture to change. Lovely chap.

This is all independent of the accuracy of the bible, of which there is none, but i'm also stressing the morality is horrific too.

[McJones]

...and people think this a book full of morality and inspiration because? If it wasn't for the fact the book threatens you with eternal torture if you don't endorse it, even a child would reject it as grossly unethical.

Yes, I was aware the cities didn't perish exclusively due to homosexuality, but that is one of the major reasons, which is how Sodomy became a byword for anal sex, due to Sodom.

What a psychotic sadist god is - he creates us broken, then demands upon pain of eternal torture to change. Lovely chap.

This is all independent of the accuracy of the bible, of which there is none, but i'm also stressing the morality is horrific too.

I could explain how it's not Gods fault that we are broken, or how there is plenty of evidence, both historic and scientific, to support the accuracy of the Bible, but It's pretty clear that you don't really want to discuss it. And frankly, I'd rather not stir up any more contention on this forum than I have already. So I think I'll leave this thread be.

[LeetFruitBoy]

I'm Christian, but not the super religious type.

Though I do pray a lot and sometimes they do get answered.

And what have I got to lose?

Also yes I hate fanatics. The bible to me is more guidelines than it is FOLLOW THIS OR YA'LL DEAD.

That said, I classify myself as a ChristTroll
Christroll: Trolls Arrogant Athiests as well as uber religious Christians. Also to the people who say theres no proof. Theres a reason why it's called faith. ಠ_ಠ

I imagine your prayers are not answered more than they are, which simple statistics should tell you you're just kidding yourself. Also by admitting you've nothing to lose is stupid - you have your identity and your intellectual freedom to lose, the only things you truly ever own. Pascal's wager is one taken only by someone with no integrity.
Actually its like 50-50. God doesn't grant outrageous things IE asking for your enemies to be smited.

Intellectual freedom my ass, I believe what I want, and this is what i choose to believe. I was raised as a christian then declared myself athiest because i hated it.

A few months ago I decided i'd do it again, cause im going through some tough things in my life and Its nice to know god is on my side.

Some people are sheltered to follow christian ideals but im not one of them. I have my own free thoughts, and my own will. And the last thing I would do is turn into somebody who gives up all of that.

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Secondly the guidelines the Bible sets out are horrible, and even the good ones are all obvious and instinctive and ALL pre-date it and are regularly practiced by people who have never even read it (more so in fact) You've stated you're gay in another thread, and the Bible hates that, so i'm assuming you're picking and choosing? In which case, again you're picking at the buffett, and if so, you really have no remit to debate ideas you only half believe in yourself.

I don't agree with many things the bible says. That's just my own opinion, but god still loves me for being who I am.
The problem is you assume all christians are super republican fanatics.

Silly you.

Lastly atheism is not arrogant. The truth is objective not subjective. Arrogance is taking a religion and choosing the pieces you you wish to apply to yourself then discarding the rest, and believing in an omnipotent being who according to dogma never intervenes due to granting free will, and assuming he makes special interventions in yor life out of 6 billion (including many suffering greatly) and that you could possibly pull the wool over his eyes with Pascal's wager.

I wasn't saying athiesm is arrogant. I said I troll the athiests that are. Lrn2Read.

Telling someone who is wrong that they are wrong is not arrogance. Believeing that a being of infinite power and knowledge is not only easily fooled by fake belief, but also takes a special interest in your life out of many billions is arrogance of an unbelievable and unbalanced magnitude (and a complete ignorance of probability theory)

Read my commentary in bold.

PROTIP OF THE DAY: Not all christians are mindless. Though some are, but that can be said about any view on religion.

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones"

In the bible somewhere i remember it states that christians go to heaven, and that the others are judged. God's a fair judge, and if you have lived your life by doing good things and whatnot you're good.

[CaRniVoRe]

The only obvious solution is.... worshipping satan. 

[MegaMew]

I say its best to just pick up the religion from your favorite game that has a religion and roll with that.  I practice the Hyrulian religion, whatever its name is 

[CaRniVoRe]

In that case. I worship the companion cube. FEAR THE CAKE. It is a lie! 

[SatoruKimu]

ODIN! :D